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I'm not sure what you're talking about penboy. 
I also take issue with some of the "tips" in the first post, many of which were already addressed. Dmoz does have an adult category, but it's not accessible from the front page. In order to get to it you'll have to enter some keywords into the Dmoz search feature. Dmoz also have gambling categories. So, gambling and adult sites are accepted, obviously. Also, when it comes to broken links, it really depends on how many links you have and how many of them are broken. If your site only has five links and two are broken, then your site will probably be rejected. If your site has 25 links and only a few are broken, then it can still be accepted, it's up to the reviewing editor to decide on those things. I think in regards to the first post the person who gave the tips is speaking on how he/she edits, because every editor is different. So, while you're following this particular editor's advice (the original post) there is a high probability that another editor will review your site and they'll have completely different editing standards. Just follow the guidelines and read the list of acceptable sites and you should be okay. It's important to understand that any editor giving you advice is not speaking for Dmoz, they are only speaking for themselves.
I have my tips regarding Dmoz, if you don't mind. I hope you don't mind if I go into a little bit of detail regarding some of them.
1. Suggest your stie to the best category possible. This is important because suggesting to the wrong category could delay your site by an unknown amount of time. If you suggest your site to category A, but it should really be listed in category A-2, then the editor of category A will review your site and see it belongs in another category. They'll send your site to the correct category, and it'll have to wait for another review by a different editor, in this case, whoever has permissions to edit in category A-2. The reason why the editor of category A will not publish your site in cateogry A-2 is because they probably won't have permissions to deal with sites in category A-2, so your site will have to wait for another review. Now, what if your site was finally reviewed after 2 years of waiting in category A, but had to be sent to A-2? It can delay your site because it has to wait for another review, which could take another 2 years.
2. Give your site a guidelines compliant title and description. This may not seem important on the surface since 99.99% of titles and descriptions have to be re-written anyway, but I'll tell you why it could matter. It might not matter if you're suggesting your site to a small category buried deep into the directory, because that category may get very, very few suggestions. But, what if you're suggesting your site to a category that has 100s of sites waiting for review? Editors can review sites in any order they want, not just by date. So, for a category with 100s of sites waiting for review, an editor might want to pick through the category and only review sites that have titles and descriptions that show they belong in the category. It can take a lot of time for an editor to review several sites only to realize that they don't belong in the category because they'll also have to find the correct category and send it there. Most editors will probably have to take the time to dig through the directory to find the correct category in which to forward your site. Another reason an editor might only want to review sites that have guidelines complaint descriptions and titles is because they want to reward suggesters who actually took the time to look over the guidelines and follow them correctly.
3. Read the category description and FAQs before suggesting your site. Most categories will have a category description, so read it. Category descriptions are there to tell you what type of sites will be listed in the category. Some descriptions will have links to similar categories for your to look over to make sure you're suggesting to the correct category. Some descriptions will tell what kind of sites to submit and not to submit, how long it can take for a review, and some of the things that can delay your site being reviewed. It's important to read those things because they're there to help you suggest your site to the correct category.
4. Review the category's @links. @links are links that refer to other categories within the directory. Sometimes they'll refer to similar categories - categories that your site could also be listed in. So, to make it easier for your to find the best possible category you should also review the FAQs and category description to the @link categories.
5. Don't suggest your site too many times. I'm not saying this because your site could be labeled as spam, but because with every suggestion you make to a category it will send your site to the bottom of the pool. Therefor, if an editor is reviewing sites by date (first come, first reviewed), then with every re-suggestion you will have sent your site back to the bottom of the pile, thus delaying its review. Lets say for example that there are 5 sites waiting for review and you resuggested your site, so now it's waiting in the 5th spot. An editor might decided to review sites, but may only have time to review 2 sites, and he's reviewing sites in order by date. That leaves your site one of the sites not getting a review that day, and there's not possible way of telling when sites in that category will be reviewed again - it could be 2 years later.
Now, I'll just mention some other things. Never believe someone if they tell you that your site should be reviewed in a certain time-frame, for instance 1 week to 5 months. There is no possible way of telling when a site will be reviewed. Not even editors can give you a time frame for review because editors are not on a set editing schedule. They can log in and edit whenever they want and in whichever categories they have permissions.
Sites are not guaranteed a listing. This is important because some people think that because they've suggested their site that it means an automatic listing when it's reviewed. Not true. The editor reviewing your site has 3 choices to make regarding it: 1) list it. 2) delete it. 3) leave it in unreviewed for anther editor to look at. Just keep in mind that just because you suggest your site it doesn't mean that it'll get listed. An editor does not have to review a site s/he is uncomfortable reviewing. They're not going to delete it, but they don't have to review it and list it either; they'll most likely leave it for someone else to review.
There are some things that will get your site forever blacklisted. They include, but are not limited to, spamming the directory with muliple suggestions to the same or several categories; harassing editors through e-mail; threatening to sue Dmoz because your site isn't listed; talking about paying for a listing; and trying to bribe an editor.
URL update requests. If you already have a listed site in the directory, and you need to update the title and/or description, then go to the page where it's listed and click on the update URL link. Update requests, if they are accepted, can take anywhere from that same day to several months later for your site to be updated, depending on the editor(s). But, most update requests are not accepted. Just because someone fills out an update request form it doesn't mean that their update request will be granted. It's at the discretion of the editor who reviews the update request. Update requests are handled quicker than site reviews, so if you've been waiting a year for your update request to be approved, then just assume that it was denied because chances are it was. In other words, Dmoz editors can choose not to honor your update request for several reasons, including: your request does not conform to Dmoz guidelines - you want a keyword filled description, or title that goes agsinst guidelines, or you want something in your description that's not reflected on your site. Also, you can use the update request to inform editors of broken URLs or sites that shouldn't be listed.
There are some categories within the directory that get lots of spam. Those categories can mean an even longer wait for your site to be reviewed if you've submitted to one.
The most common reason a site isn't listed in the directory is because it hasn't been reviewed yet, so patience is a key factor when dealing with Dmoz, or you'll be left pulling out your hair if you worry too much about it.
It is false that editors don't look at submitted sites anymore. If that were true, then admin would probably decide to turn off the suggest a site feature. In fact, for some categories that feature is turned off. So, don't believe anyone when they tell you that editors don't look at suggested sites anymore because they will be lying to you. Now, editors in some of the most spammed categories, like those in shopping, are probably less likely to look at suggested sites.
You don't have to suggest your site in order for it to be listed. Part of being an editor is finding sites on their own. So, if your site can easily be found on a message board, or in the links section of another, similar site, then an editor might see it, review it, and decide to list it. There are so many places where editors can find sites that haven't been suggested.
Your site might not be listable. Look over the Dmoz guidelines of what sites are unlistable. If your site is unlistable, then you'll be waiting for forever for it to be listed because you are not sent an e-mail if your site is rejected. Webmasters are not the best judges of their site, so get another person who has no attachments to your site to give you an honest opinion on it.
A listing in Dmoz guarantees a listing in Google's directory. And there are also hundreds of smaller directories that use Dmoz data, so you'll get backlinks from them, too. Plus, if you have a hard time getting search engines to find your site, then a listing in Dmoz will help since hundreds of search engines feed from Dmoz data, including Google. There are differering views on whether a listing in Dmoz will boost your Google page rank. Some people have said it's boosted their site's rank, but really, only Google knows the importance it gives sites listed in Dmoz, if any.
There are some categories that are extremely hard to get into. Those include categories that no one takes an interest in, and spammy categories. Also, the directories category is also hard to get into. In order to get a directory included in Dmoz, you'll have to have a whole lot of sites listed; a few hundred won't cut it. Compare your site to the other directories listed, and try to exceed their number of listed sites.
Dmoz has an RDF dump where you can download the database and create your own directory using sites listed in Dmoz. It's free to download, modify, and use however you want as long as you follow the license agreement; think "open" source software. If you think a directory can be run better than Dmoz, then give it a try. Several people have, and they've come up with some pretty neat ideas, including a Dmoz wiki directory.
Dmoz takes editor abuse very seriously, so if you suspect editor abuse, then fill out the editor abuse form at http://report-abuse.dmoz.org . Make sure you give specifics regarding your claims and not just speculation, that is "my site's not listed so a corrupt editor must be trying to keep it out." Most claims of editor abuse are unfounded. You can follow up on your abuse claim by going back to the abuse form and intering the claim number you got when you first filed the abuse report. You won't be told specifics of the outcome of the investigation, but you'll see if your claim is still waiting review, is currently being investigated, or if the investigation is closed. Editors have had their account deactivated for abusing their privileges, so it is taken seriously.
Some things that could get your site rejected or left in the unreviewed pool: if it has too many broken links and graphics (yes, sites can be rejected for having too many broken images); if it's hard to navigate; being under construction, or too many under construction pages (only suggest it if it's complete); if it crashes the editor's browser; not enough unique content; not enough content to warrant a listing; is an affiliate site, or has too many affiliate banners that it overwhelms the content of the site; and there are many more reasons.
When it comes to Dmoz, your best option is to submit and forget, because a Dmoz listing is not guaranteed, and it can take anywhere from less than 1 week to several years. You can contact the editor(s) for that section of the directory, but there's no guarantee that they will respond or act on your e-mail, and they will certainly not act on or respond to an e-mail that is rude, aggressive, abrasive, or abusive in nature.
I know I have covered a lot in this one post, but I hope it is helpful to the few who read it.
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| Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2006 11:09 pm Post subject: |
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I would say that is good way to make GC's if ya know what I mean. Sure I know what you mean, but I was voicing my opinion. I reckon its good, but its just that you dont believe everything they say.
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anastacia
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 7:28 am Post subject: Re: DMOZ??? |
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| penboy wrote: | So is all the reponce you get from DMOZ 100% |
No, honestly, I don't know what you mean. Do you mean something along the lines of the information you get from editors? Or, e-mail responses from Dmoz, or what? Anyway, each editor speaks only for himself. They do not represent Dmoz, and the information they give you is their opinion. Their opinion can be based on several things, including personal experience from editing. So, while one editor may tell you that doing 123 might hurt your site's chances, but it may have no effect on the person who reviews your site. So much of Dmoz is based on editor discretion, and every editor is different, and every editor might have a different opinion on something.. | penboy wrote: | I would say that is good way to make GC's if ya know what I mean. |
I'm new to the community, so I don't know what you mean. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 3:23 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you for your interesting, and informative post on this subject, anastacia.
It brings some good common sense and rationality back into a thread
that was beginning to wander off into the realm of folklore.
If nothing else, this topic illustrates the almost superstitious regard
that some people have for the subject.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 8:19 pm Post subject: |
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I am not a DMOZ Editor - I am a moderator at one of the larger SEO Forums.
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This quote from the original post says it all. Consider your sources before you believe what someone says. As a lurker of many forums, I've found that the most erroneous information about Dmoz come from people who aren't editors.
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penboy
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| Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2006 10:46 pm Post subject: |
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Firstly, I asked a question and secondly I expected it to be a retorical question not needing a responce. Sure there opinions, but hey not all are 100% It sounds like you are trying to advertise or blog for DMOZ ?????
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anastacia
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| Posted: Fri Aug 04, 2006 7:31 am Post subject: |
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Penboy,
Firstly, only the first sentence of my post was directed at you. It wouldn't make sense for me to dedicated approximately 20 paragraphs to you when I don't even know what you're talking about. My first post on this thread was directed at anyone who was interested, not you particularly.
Secondly, your question may have been rhetorical, but all I asked was for you to clarify what you were talking about because I still don't understand your "rhetorical" question or "opinion," and I don't really comment on things I don't understand to begin with. You keep saying it's your opinion, but I still don't even know what your opinion is. Or, maybe you're just posting stuff just to get GC$??????
By the way, why would I "blog" about Dmoz in thread? Doesn't make sense. Call my posts advertising for Dmoz or blogging all you want, but I'm just here to give some accurate answers about Dmoz. It's a shame that people actually post rumors that Dmoz isn't accepting submissions anymore and people actually believe it. And, again, the only thing I've ever directed toward you in all my posts was for you to clarify your opinion, because honestly it looks like jibberish that was posted in order to gain GC$. By the way, this is the "Dmoz" thread right? >> now that's a rhetorical question.
You keep saying they are not 100%. 100% what????
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 1:56 am Post subject: |
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Here is not the place to post your issues. Read my post, 100% is related to the first few words in the sentence. Chill out a bit, you will live longer. All I am getting at people in the thread and naturally mrs. anastasia. Is that DMOZ is not the ants pants. There are many other ways to go.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 05, 2006 5:53 am Post subject: |
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| penboy wrote: | Here is not the place to post your issues. Read my post, 100% is related to the first few words in the sentence. Chill out a bit, you will live longer. All I am getting at people in the thread and naturally mrs. anastasia. Is that DMOZ is not the ants pants. There are many other ways to go. |
I'm not angry over your posts, remember you only posted one very confusing sentence, and I was only trying to understand what you were talking about, lol. I understood everyone else's points-of-view except yours. And, I actually agree, Dmoz isn't worth the stress and worry. Yes, it's great if you can get in, but you can do just as well if you're not.
As far as this isn't the place to post my issues. What issues? I have opinions just like everyone else. You're free to post your opinion, right? Well, so am I. My opinions weren't directed at you and all I did was give My Tips regarding Dmoz. This is a Dmoz thread, so that's important to remember. So, if I want to talk about Dmoz, then I'm free to do so just like everyone else, including you. But, I also think that you expected to voice an unchallenged "opinion." Never expect such a luxury on an open message board, because it's only natural that people who disagree with your opinions will voice theirs and challenge your reasoning.
And, again, thanks for finally clearing up what you're talking about. Sorry, I didn't have out my crystal ball to understand what you were refering to. Maybe I should consult the psychics section of Dmoz the next time? 
Well, I've got my answers and, again, thank you for clarifying.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 17, 2006 11:01 pm Post subject: |
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Included in DMOZ is a good thing but It will not be everything, I have seen many sites is not listed in DMOZ but they are in 1st page of google in really heavy key phases! So which one you want to be listed? First page of G or DMOZ, Just save your time on contents, good link building, and patient, sucess come soon or later.
And forget DMOZ. Its not worth for us to talk too much about it.
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| Posted: Sat Aug 19, 2006 6:01 am Post subject: |
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With Dmoz and Google it doesn't have to be either or; either a listing in Dmoz or a listing in Google. It's great if you have both a #1 listing in Google and a listing in Dmoz. In fact, that's how editors find a lot of sites to list; they do a quick Google search on some keyword to see if there are any sites not listed, some are #1 for the keyword and some are #501.
Getting listed in Dmoz actually saved me time from having to submit my site to several search engines, because there are lots of search engines (and smaller directories) that get data from Dmoz. That's how my site got indexed by Google so quickly.
Heheh, spending your time mostly on creating good content and not worrying about a Dmoz listing is probably what will get you added to Dmoz quickly. |
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Silly DMOZ. I've been trying to get listed there forever and haven't heard a thing. So I finally decided that I would try to become an editor. I spent a good deal of time during the application so that I had a better probability of getting accepted. I even disclosed some of the companies that I am affiliated with (I was honest to them.) I got a response back less than two weeks later denying me, basically because of my affiliation and DMOZ isn't there to get a competitive marketing edge over competitors. For the column where the reviewer can write information, he didn't put anything. I simply got a template DENY e-mail. Very lame since they do need help in that under-developed category. Going on 6 months now for my original submission....... zzzz
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| Posted: Tue Aug 22, 2006 8:55 pm Post subject: |
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| KuJaX wrote: | | I even disclosed some of the companies that I am affiliated with (I was honest to them.) |
Using the word some implies that you didn't disclose ALL your affiliations. You have to disclose them all, whether or not they can be listed in the category for which you're applying.
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I got a response back less than two weeks later denying me, basically because of my affiliation and DMOZ isn't there to get a competitive marketing edge over competitors. |
I wouldn't be surprised if you were turned down if your only reason for applying is to list your site. Also, you're referring again to your affiliations, did you disclose them all, or no? If not, then they probably found them and that's an automatic rejection.
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For the column where the reviewer can write information, he didn't put anything. I simply got a template DENY e-mail. Very lame since they do need help in that under-developed category. Going on 6 months now for my original submission....... zzzz |
Well, they want people who are honest and trustworthy first and foremost. People who aren't honest are those who don't disclose all their affiliations, or try to hide them (not saying that's what you did, but those are two qualities they look for in editors), and those that only want to become editors to list their site and jet, or those that only want to get a leg up on the competition - that's not a good sign at all.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:13 pm Post subject: |
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| anastacia wrote: | | KuJaX wrote: | | I even disclosed some of the companies that I am affiliated with (I was honest to them.) |
Using the word some implies that you didn't disclose ALL your affiliations. You have to disclose them all, whether or not they can be listed in the category for which you're applying.
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I got a response back less than two weeks later denying me, basically because of my affiliation and DMOZ isn't there to get a competitive marketing edge over competitors. |
I wouldn't be surprised if you were turned down if your only reason for applying is to list your site. Also, you're referring again to your affiliations, did you disclose them all, or no? If not, then they probably found them and that's an automatic rejection.
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For the column where the reviewer can write information, he didn't put anything. I simply got a template DENY e-mail. Very lame since they do need help in that under-developed category. Going on 6 months now for my original submission....... zzzz |
Well, they want people who are honest and trustworthy first and foremost. People who aren't honest are those who don't disclose all their affiliations, or try to hide them (not saying that's what you did, but those are two qualities they look for in editors), and those that only want to become editors to list their site and jet, or those that only want to get a leg up on the competition - that's not a good sign at all.
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I didn't mean to write "some", as I disclosed ALL affiliations I have (which is only one). I told them who I was the webmaster for, which is only one site, so it isn't like they did their homework and found I was affiliated with more. I was 100% honest with them and had a great application.
The funny thing is, chances are, if I wasn't honest with them, I would have got in perfectly fine because the category needs A LOT of help. There are a lot of fairly dead-sites in there with absolutely no bonified information. Regardless....... browsing around I've found that there are many more people that are in the same shoes I am in with DMOZ.
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| Posted: Fri Aug 25, 2006 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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I wouldn't be so sure that had you lied on your application that you would have gotten in so easily. Take a look over at Resource-Zone and see all the posts started by people who were turned down because they didn't disclose all their affiliations. Some were even asked not to apply again. The category might need help, but they're not going to accept just anyone, because that anyone could actually do more damage to that category that someone else might have to spend time cleaning up. Not fun.
If you find sites that are dead or don't belong in the category, then you can use the update URL link at the top of the page where it's listed to report them. Updates are handle quicker than regular site reviews. |
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