Cheating by new MSN beta search engine

malapati · 11-13-2004, 03:46 AM

Are you too cheated?? not yet??

When you do a query at MSN. First initially you will be shown a number of results. When you go to end page of the results .. then you can observe that the results not as many as claimed initally.

The following observation is with the setting that for page 10 results.

Details:

"malapati raja sekhar" query resulted: 116 results ..

but there is no 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th pages at all.
So I went on 8th page (70+ results) : it showed that there were only 76 results. Again I went to 1st page (in fact any other page less than

.. it is showing again 116 pages.

clearly this is a cheating ..

You too experienced??

Raja

tokkolo · 11-13-2004, 03:55 AM

I just tested it, and you're right!
Silly them! They need to do some serious testing and adjusting!

wefancyu · 11-13-2004, 05:22 AM

you're right, but....doz it really matter? i don't use msn anyway...msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no

GummyBear395 · 11-13-2004, 09:57 AM

I think there should be a law against that because it is like false advertising and i think MSN sucks.

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When you do a query at MSN. First initially you will be shown a number of results. When you go to end page of the results .. then you can observe that the results not as many as claimed initally.

tokkolo · 11-13-2004, 10:20 AM

Well, it does state beta, so you can expect some flaws (sp?), therefor it's not false advertising, it's just a small bug. Even if there was a law against it, it wouldn't be of any use, since MSN can simply state it's a bug they're working on.

Randuin · 11-14-2004, 11:57 PM

Not sure if you noticed, but this also happens with the Google search engine

Perhaps it's just a bug in the way search engines are commonly programmed in?

intelliot · 11-15-2004, 04:32 PM

It's not really a bug - it's expected behavior, which is why Google says "about" x pages and you should use more specific keyword requests.

tokkolo · 11-16-2004, 04:40 AM

It's expected behavior? That seems so odd. Would it really be that difficult (or maybe even impossible) to program it in a way that the amount of pages is right?

malapati · 11-16-2004, 10:03 PM

Dear Intelliot & randuin,

raduin wrote:

Quote:

Not sure if you noticed, but this also happens with the Google search engine Perhaps it's just a bug in the way search engines are commonly programmed in?

intelliot wrote:

Quote:

It's not really a bug - it's expected behavior, which is why Google says "about" x pages and you should use more specific keyword requests.

For your kind informaion .. in my 5 years of search experience on google .. I never seen .. number of results is mistakenly showed ..

Can you show me at least one occurence ..

Raja

intelliot · 11-16-2004, 10:22 PM

They've updated it to make it more friendly and reasonable, but just try this.

Type in something like "car"

I did it just now. You can't go past page 92, which is only 911 results out of "about 439,000,000"

tokkolo: Yes, I would imagine it would be very difficult to return all 439 million (for example) results. When you want to get results to 200+ million queries per day in ~1 second time each, you probably run into a few limitations.

11-13-2004, 03:46 AM	#1 (permalink)
malapati Googler Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: India Posts: 96 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Cheating by new MSN beta search engine Are you too cheated?? not yet?? When you do a query at MSN. First initially you will be shown a number of results. When you go to end page of the results .. then you can observe that the results not as many as claimed initally. The following observation is with the setting that for page 10 results. Details: "malapati raja sekhar" query resulted: 116 results .. but there is no 9th, 10th, 11th, 12th pages at all. So I went on 8th page (70+ results) : it showed that there were only 76 results. Again I went to 1st page (in fact any other page less than .. it is showing again 116 pages. clearly this is a cheating .. You too experienced?? Raja

11-13-2004, 03:55 AM	#2 (permalink)
tokkolo Google Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,022 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	I just tested it, and you're right! Silly them! They need to do some serious testing and adjusting! __________________ A letter is like a flower

11-13-2004, 10:20 AM	#5 (permalink)
tokkolo Google Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,022 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Well, it does state beta, so you can expect some flaws (sp?), therefor it's not false advertising, it's just a small bug. Even if there was a law against it, it wouldn't be of any use, since MSN can simply state it's a bug they're working on. __________________ A letter is like a flower

11-16-2004, 04:40 AM	#8 (permalink)
tokkolo Google Guru Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 2,022 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	It's expected behavior? That seems so odd. Would it really be that difficult (or maybe even impossible) to program it in a way that the amount of pages is right? __________________ A letter is like a flower

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11-13-2004, 05:22 AM	#3 (permalink)
wefancyu Senior Googler Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: UK Posts: 146 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	you're right, but....doz it really matter? i don't use msn anyway...msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no msn no

11-14-2004, 11:57 PM	#6 (permalink)
Randuin Noogle Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 17 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Not sure if you noticed, but this also happens with the Google search engine Perhaps it's just a bug in the way search engines are commonly programmed in?

11-15-2004, 04:32 PM	#7 (permalink)
intelliot Google Guru Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,527 Thanks: 15 Thanked 49 Times in 28 Posts	It's not really a bug - it's expected behavior, which is why Google says "about" x pages and you should use more specific keyword requests.

11-16-2004, 10:22 PM	#10 (permalink)
intelliot Google Guru Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 2,527 Thanks: 15 Thanked 49 Times in 28 Posts	They've updated it to make it more friendly and reasonable, but just try this. Type in something like "car" I did it just now. You can't go past page 92, which is only 911 results out of "about 439,000,000" tokkolo: Yes, I would imagine it would be very difficult to return all 439 million (for example) results. When you want to get results to 200+ million queries per day in ~1 second time each, you probably run into a few limitations.

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