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Old 01-17-2007, 08:04 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Question One-To-One Search Is NOT Available In Google General Search

Subject: One-To-One Search Is NOT Available In Google General Search

There is NO one-to-one search capability on Google or Yahoo, or any other current search engine, except for ID Number search, such as special search engines for Patent Numbers and the Amazon ISBN search engine. This one-to-one capability is very useful. For example, if I have a long list of references, either about people or publications, and I don’t want to store them in my own files, I can just save their UNIVERSALLY unique ID Numbers and retrieve them faithfully in the future through search. Another useful example would be to search a one-and-only article on jumpulse by the late Dr. Ta-You Wu. In the past, the article has appeared in different locations, if my searches are separated by weeks. I can search Ta-You Wu by his name, but get more than what I ask for, and sometimes not the one article I am looking for.

In 2004 Google and Yahoo started to allow submission and search of Web Searchable ID Numbers, such as ISBN, Universal Product Code, and Vehicle Identification Numbers. Is there any news in ID Number Search? I would be very interested in the new development from ANY search engine companies, particularly, Google and Yahoo.

I hope that I can discuss in this issue with Google Community members until we have a conclusion on whether globally one-to-one searchable ID numbers are needed. Thank you very much for your participation. ### [CYL]
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Old 01-17-2007, 08:51 PM   #2 (permalink)
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really intresting!!!!!!!!!!1
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Old 01-18-2007, 02:47 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Hi, siva191185,

Thank you for joining this long chess game of Knowledge vs. Society. With your approval of its first move, here is the second move by Knowledge: We must use integers to identify the unlimited number of searchable items.

There are two parties in human-computer interaction. Humans prefer English or their other native languages, and computers or machines operate on logic, whose general form is represented by integers. Can anyone think of another form of a universal and permanent representation for the unlimited searchable items? Keywords? No. Keywords in English can be converted to integers, but Chinese is hard to have a universal and permanent standard for conversion to integers. Even English is very disorganized, from the viewpoint of the machine. For completely automated handling of information, we need to use the native language of the machine in the automated part.

As a preview of this long chess game, the ultimate goal of Knowledge is to impose the condition of permanence, achieved through complete automation, on our Society, especially, on the computer community. Today, there is no discipline of its own in computer science; the condition of complete automation would be one, possibly the only, discipline. Without this discipline, we all need to upgrade our operating system every couple of years. I need your quick brilliance, Siva, in continuing this long chess game. Do you approve this second move? ### [CYL]
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Old 01-18-2007, 03:47 PM   #4 (permalink)
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I don't think one-to-one search is a good idea. URLs are already one-to-one. If you're worried about page moves, how are you going to verify the page's content? The way Google and other search engines do it now works fine: if you search for a unique phrase in the document, you'll find it. If you type a few words in the document, you'll get the most authoritative one with those words, whether or not it's the exact one you had in mind. IMHO, this is a better system. After all, there are so many web pages and even more unique URLs (for example, database-driven sites), that the ID numbers would be long and barely usable. Even so, they'd be virtually useless since web pages are still accessed by URL anyway.
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Old 01-18-2007, 05:36 PM   #5 (permalink)
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Dear intelliot,

Thank you for your very practical reply. I would like to discuss in detail of your thoughtful points.
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I don't think one-to-one search is a good idea. URLs are already one-to-one.

In some ways you are right. Yet, one-to-one serves in many instances better than one-to-many searches and should have an important position in general search, as I shall try to further explain below. For example, URLs are too costly and distinct ID Numbers can be very low cost. Yes, URLs are already one-to-one and permanent, but are not distinct or universal; they might come into conflict with other ID numbers.
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If you're worried about page moves, how are you going to verify the page's content?

This is a very good point, actually, a central point in search. Google is designed to search for news, not permanent entities, such as a book or a published article, whose content can no longer be changed. Also, Google searches based on subject, while in the days when library search engine dominates, most my searches are based on author or title, for permanent publications, not much news.
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The way Google and other search engines do it now works fine: if you search for a unique phrase in the document, you'll find it. If you type a few words in the document, you'll get the most authoritative one with those words, whether or not it's the exact one you had in mind. IMHO, this is a better system.

Yes, the web search engines have made a great additional contribution to search technology, with “brute force” search, which actually is more universal in terms of search.
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After all, there are so many web pages and even more unique URLs (for example, database-driven sites), that the ID numbers would be long and barely usable.

Globally searchable ID Numbers will allow people to have a presence on the web with far lower cost than owning URLs. There are far more web pages than URLs. Google can expand its reach far wider with universal and permanent ID Numbers than with URLs. The ID Numbers will be managed by the owners of the ID Numbers, which are virtually unlimited.
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Even so, they'd be virtually useless since web pages are still accessed by URL anyway.

This is the reason Google should initiate the Globally Searchable ID Numbers. If Google allows the submission and the search of the ID Numbers, even though which are accessed by URLs, these ID Numbers will be useful, definitely, to the owners of the ID Numbers.

Your points and knowledge are very helpful in clarifying the understanding of the proposals of Globally Searchable ID Numbers and One-To-One Search Result. I hope that you can continue to give me a hand in describing my points based on some very fundamental considerations in complete automation, which is the solution to unlimited complexity. Thank you so much. ### [CYL]
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… After all, there are so many web pages and even more unique URLs (for example, database-driven sites), that the ID numbers would be long and barely usable…

Thank you siva and intelliot for raising the question about the necessary novel innovation for controlling unlimited complexity, which can be translated into the unlimited number of integer ID Numbers. We need to conclude our discussion of Universal Permanent Number by answering the problem of how to remember the unlimited number of ID Numbers. When the number of ID Numbers becomes too large for humans to remember, the completely automated software “Completely Automated And Self-generating Software” (Pat. No. 5,485,601) can be used to remember the numbers. The solution is also the central part in Knowledge Management, which depends on handling an unlimited amount of knowledge.

We start with the first innovation of the completely automated software, Universal User Interface (UUI), which is simply the tree-structured, numerical multiple-choice questions. This is nothing new (e, g. library search system, windows, if numbers are added), but is novel as part of the completely automated software system. The programmer will write software by answering the numerical multiple-choice questions (and content-insensitive questions). The answers will lead the programmer to a generator set, which will generate the codes understandable to the computer. The integer source codes created is Universal Computer Source Code (UNCOSOCO).

UUI is conceptually important because it uses the human Associative Memory, which is designed to allow humans to access an unlimited amount of information, while computers use Direct Access Memory. Also, it is important to note that in UUI, the computer handles the integer, which is the native language of the machine and an international language for humans, and the user reads the native human language or even sound or graphics. UNCOSOCO is the solution to UNCOL (Universal Computer Oriented Language), a universal assembly language, considered one of the Holly Grails of computer science. The difficulty with UUI and UNCOSOCO is that the ADDRESS, which is the destination of UUI and UNCOSOCO, and where the function is to be performed, is hard to remember for humans. In order for the computer or software to remember the ADDRESS, whose number will be unlimited, we need the third and final innovation, Universal Data File (UDF), which is disclosed in detail in the patent.

UDF simply includes the ADDRESS of the record in the record. When a flag is set, instead of performing the instruction, the software will retrieve the ADDRESS. This will allow the user to generate statements such as {call ADDRESS} without knowing or remembering the ADDRESS. In other words, all the technology has been dumped into the ADDRESSES. The final goal of the completely automated software is to self-generate itself, in addition to auto-update and auto-documentation, which have all been demonstrated to the patent office. Self-generation will severe the tie of the newly generated generator to the original generator, making the software system completely technology independent.

An important byproduct of the Self-generating Software System (SSS) is Universal Permanent Numbers (UPN), which are just the ADDRESSES and integers from minus infinity to plus infinity. Current number standard, such as URLs, ISBN, Unicodes, Patent Numbers, Product Numbers, Social Security Numbers are designed to be permanent, but not universal. UPN will allow global and/or one-to-one search. UPN will greatly reduce the cost using the current conflicting artificial number standards and will make faithful search available, as well as the current random search, which is mainly for news items. SSS will be needed to remember UPN, when the number of UPN exceeds a few trillions. Thank you for reading through the lengthy explanation of the completely automated foundation of UPN. ### [CYL]
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