Found for specific search only

[totallyphotos]

I posted this question a few days ago in another forum (not on this site!) but have not had an answer, so wondered if anyone here could help (and apologies to anyone who may have already read it).brbrWe have a website http://www.totallyphotos.com and we are struggling to understand the way it is being indexed by Google. brbrIn the search box, if you type in site:totallyphotos.com you will see that many of its pages are indexed - great. If you type in ROYALTY FREE STOCK PHOTOGRAPHY, the site will not show up at all in any results. However, if you type in ROYALTY FREE STOCK PHOTOGRAPHY TOTALLYPHOTOS it will show up. So it appears in the specific search but not the general one - strange, and not useful. brbrbrThe site has been up for over 6 months, we have sitemaps and pay for AdWords. Although typing in link:www.totallyphotos.com will only show 3 links, this is not correct as there are links ranging from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...raphy_archives) and google business directory (http://www.google.com/Top/Businessrt...menthotography...) to www.signindustry.com (http://signindustry.com/resources.php3#stock). brbrIt is listed without problems in the Yahoo! search, but Google seems to have some sort of problem with it. Of course trying to get any info from Google about why this site isn't listed is pretty much impossible. Is there anyone here who has any idea? brbrThanks. brbr

[aalishan]

Originally Posted by totallyphotos

I posted this question a few days ago in another forum (not on this site!) but have not had an answer, so wondered if anyone here could help (and apologies to anyone who may have already read it).

We have a website http://www.totallyphotos.com and we are struggling to understand the way it is being indexed by Google.

In the search box, if you type in site:totallyphotos.com you will see that many of its pages are indexed - great. If you type in ROYALTY FREE STOCK PHOTOGRAPHY, the site will not show up at all in any results. However, if you type in ROYALTY FREE STOCK PHOTOGRAPHY TOTALLYPHOTOS it will show up. So it appears in the specific search but not the general one - strange, and not useful.


The site has been up for over 6 months, we have sitemaps and pay for AdWords. Although typing in link:www.totallyphotos.com will only show 3 links, this is not correct as there are links ranging from wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of...raphy_archives) and google business directory (http://www.google.com/Top/Businessrt...menthotography...) to www.signindustry.com (http://signindustry.com/resources.php3#stock).

It is listed without problems in the Yahoo! search, but Google seems to have some sort of problem with it. Of course trying to get any info from Google about why this site isn't listed is pretty much impossible. Is there anyone here who has any idea?

Thanks.

i haven't faced this

[jcorkern]

Think about the search terms you are talking about. When you use the exact phrase in your title it shows up. When you use part of the title it does not show up!ROYALTY FREE STOCK PHOTOGRAPHY Should be the only thing in your title. If this is the phrase you want to target use the keyword phrase only. Get all of the keywords out of your meta keyword tag that are not producing search results. This is part of the problem. You are watering down your pages relevence. Search engines are looking to provide the most relevent pages for the consumer, the more keywords and phrases you use on a page(different ones), the less relevent it is to a specific search. NEXT: You have approx 141 links pointing to your site and the anchor text is: TOTALLYPHOTOS .COM . your url, There is NO sense in using your url as the anchor text for your links. You need links that are anchored with the keyword phrase you want to rank for, ie: [b]EMroyalty free stock photography/EM/[b] and this will help you rank for the term. Then you need some more links if you want top 3 on Google. If you do the things listed then you should get top 10 for search soon. my partner I am giving advise for free!

Jim Corkern
SEO

[totallyphotos]

Ok, thanks for that. I'm still amazed given that the phrase occurs all over the page as well as in the title that it doesn't appear in the search results.brAnyway, I'll trim out more of the "extra" words - even though I think it degrades site quality ("Creative Photos" sounds a lot better than just "Photos" - but I guess people are not as likely to search on the word "Creative"). It seems that optimising for search means stripping the site of some of its character, which really is a shame.brbr

[jcorkern]

Quality is someone finding what they are looking for, People are looking for info, services, supplies ect..... They want a relevent search results, They want to find what they are looking for. People do not care about flash, php,css, or anything else about the site, The sure arent going to cast stones for the title. They just want to find what they are looking for. The #1 complaint that search engines get from consumers is the quality of search results.

Did you get that last statement? They do want quality, But the consumers idea of quality is relevent results. The search engines have a set of rules(algorithm) and whomever plays by the rules to the strictest level WINS. This is why SEO's are paid so well, They have to follow strict rules and still make the site also appealing to consumers, with good sales copy.

The point is that Quality is a frame of mind! Your perception of quality and the masses of the populations thoughts may be different. As a web marketer, your job is to please the mases!

Jim Corkern
SEO

[totallyphotos]

Thanks for the answers..

Originally Posted by jcorkern

Quality is someone finding what they are looking for, People are looking for info, services,
supplies ect..... They want a relevent search results, They want to find what they are looking for.
People do not care about flash, php,css, or anything else about the site,
The #1 complaint that search engines get from consumers is the quality of search results.
Did you get that last statement?

Yes, I believe I did, however unless the search engine can read my mind, it should also be giving me as many choices as possible, which as I mentioned is not the case here. Our royalty free stock photography site is not listed at all when I type in: royalty free stock photography
There are 152 results. TotallyPhotos does not even appear.

They do want quality, But the consumers idea of quality is relevent results.

As I say, give the consumer a choice, unless you know exactly what they want. Order the results in the way you think is best for your "quality" metrics, but omitting results (which in this case are entirely relevant!) does not seem to make sense.

The search engines have a set of rules(algorithm) and whomever plays by the rules to the
strictest level WINS. This is why SEO's are paid so well, They have to follow strict rules
and still make the site also appealing to consumers, with good sales copy.

So, yes, change your site to fit in with the limitations of the search engines. Google does not find TotallyPhotos when you search for "royalty free stock photography" while Yahoo! does. Which engine is producing the "best" results?
I wonder just how many sites would be even more "relevant" to me than the ones given, but which just aren't shown by Google?? It seems impossible to gauge the relevance of results when most sites are not even shown.

The point is that Quality is a frame of mind! Your perception of quality and the masses
of the populations thoughts may be different. As a web marketer, your job is to please the mases!

But I'm not arguing quality (which would be "ranking") I'm arguing relevance - and you would be hard pushed to say a royalty free stock photography site with over 20,000 images which has been running for 8 months is not relevant for a "royalty free stock photography" search (especially compared to some of the other results listed).

Starting to wonder about this search engine....

[Quotes repaired. In future please use the correct BBCode for quoting text. -mondine]

[jcorkern]

You can sit there and argue your point until you are blue in the face! The facts are that until your site meets the requirements for google it will never get top serps no matter how much you think you are right. The point is that IF you want the traffic from google , You have to play by Googles rules! Thats all, All of your, or mine, or anyone else can do what ever we want with our sites. But google does not have to give them high rankings in their serps. They realy do have a better result for searches overall compared to other engines.
Just like at home. If you live in momma's house, you live with momma's rules. So, with that being said. If you want to find favor in Googles house, then play by googles rules. It is not a debate, it is a decision

Not trying to be rude, But the spiders are a program, and they will not deviate from the rules that are in place. If you want traffic from Google, then play by their rules. I have told you how to get better serps. It is your decision on what to do with it!

Jim Corkern
SEO

[jcorkern]

I also just completed the search results that you posted, You site is not at the top of the serps for Yohoo, google or MSN. After the 3rd pge it dosent make a difference anyway! and also, for all 3 engines there were relevent results for the term. The difference is that these sites have relevence and have played by the rules better than your site. they have several thousand pictures also. So, the only difference is that they decided to play by the rules!

Jim Corkern
SEO

[jcorkern]

The next thing is that there are only so many top positions , the top 10 positions only have 10 positions, the sites that are there are relevent, And they have followed the rules. In all three of your responses you are arguing about relevence, and the sites there are relevent.

[mondine]

Please use your "edit" button, rather than double, and triple-posting.