PS3 Storage Revealed

[dauodwa]

zima wrote

"dauodwa wrote:
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As for the ps3, its gonna be REAL expensive when it comes out!<><
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Got some proof? I thought so..."

mate, use your brains. the ps2 cost almost 800 australian dollars when it came out, then ps1 cost allot too. the ps3 is not going to be 2nd best to the ps2 or ps1! USE YOUR BRAIN! its gonna have superior graphics, et cetera et cetera.

[GroundPounderUSMC]

TOKYO - Sony will put off the release of its much awaited PlayStation 3 machine until November from its planned spring debut because of delays in finalizing its next-generation disk technology, the company said Wednesday.

Ken Kutaragi, the head Sony’s video game division, made the announcement at a hastily called news conference after reports of the delay surfaced in the business daily Nihon Keizai Shimbun and other papers.

The PlayStation 3 is critical for Sony Corp.’s profits and brand image, so a delay is seen as a major setback for the Japanese electronics and entertainment company as it struggles to mount a recovery after several years of poor earnings.

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Sony's stock tumbles
Reports of the delay sent Sony’s stock tumbling 1.8 percent to 5,470 yen ($46) Wednesday. Kutaragi announced the decision after the close of trading on the Tokyo Stock Exchange.

Kutaragi said the company is still trying to finalize the copyright protection technology for the Blu-ray disc, the format for PlayStation 3 and next-generation video for the company’s electronics gadgets in the works.

The new timeline means that the PlayStation 3 will still hit store shelves in Japan and North America in time for Christmas.

The PlayStation series is now the dominant brand for home consoles, helping support Sony’s bottom line in recent years. Sony has shipped nearly 204 million PlayStation machines worldwide, when combining the original PlayStation and PlayStation 2.

Competition heats up
But competition in next-generation game consoles is heating up with U.S. software maker Microsoft Corp. already putting the Xbox 360 on sale last year. Nintendo Co., the Japanese manufacture of Game Boy machines and Pokemon and Super Mario game software, is also planning its version called Revolution later this year.

The success of the new machine when it goes on sale, including pricing and game software lineup, will be more important than the timing of the sale, said Yuji Fujimori, an analyst with Goldman Sachs.

A delay was already factored into the share price, he said, because of growing speculation the PlayStation 3 may be delayed.

“The news brings some measure of assurance in that it indicates the PS3 will be ready for the year-end holiday season,” Fujimori said in a report.

A potentially big blow
Any setback in the PlayStation business could deal a big blow to Sony at a time when it just announced in January it will post a profit of 70 billion yen ($592 million) for the fiscal year through March, instead of sinking into a 10 billion yen ($85 million) loss forecast earlier.

The loss would have been the company’s first full-fiscal-year loss in more than a decade since plunging into the red in 1994 for losses related to its acquisition of Columbia Pictures.

Toshihiro Atae, head of sales at Fimat, a brokerage in the Societe Generale group, in Tokyo, said a delay alone isn’t enough to determine how the PlayStation 3 business will fare.

“We don’t really have a clear picture yet of how this is going to hit Sony’s earnings,” he told Dow Jones Newswires.

For decades, Sony symbolized Japan’s manufacturing power exemplified in its Walkman portable. But in recent years, the company, which also has movie and music businesses, was battered by declining electronics prices. Sony also fell behind rivals in flat-panel TVs and music players that have been the main growth products in electronics.

Sony’s core electronics division has lost money for two straight fiscal years. It’s only been in recent months Sony has made somewhat of a comeback in flat-panel TVs using liquid crystal displays manufactured in a joint venture with South Korean rival Samsung Electronics Co.

Sony has also come out with Walkman MP3 digital music players to try to catch up with the hit iPod from Apple Computer Inc. Earlier, it had resisted catering products for the growing MP3 format because of concerns about copyright infringement.

Since Welsh-born Howard Stringer took over last year as the first foreigner to head the company, Sony has been trying to achieve a turnaround.

It has scrapped unprofitable operations such as Aibo entertainment robots, plasma display TVs and an expensive luxury audiovisual line offered in Japan called Qualia. It has also promised to trim 10,000 jobs, or nearly 7 percent of Sony’s global work force, by March 2008.

[zima]

Originally Posted by dauodwa

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mate, use your brains. the ps2 cost almost 800 australian dollars when it came out, then ps1 cost allot too. the ps3 is not going to be 2nd best to the ps2 or ps1! USE YOUR BRAIN! its gonna have superior graphics, et cetera et cetera.

Ahhh...that explains a lot - you seem to understand "brains" as "limited/narrow-minded view of the situation based only on local factors/factors relevant to you". Guess what, you're not the center of the world (but I gues it's clear now that saying this to you is a bit pointless...). Nobody gives a fvck about the price of PS3 in such miniature market as Australia (BTW, the price is high there precisely because of miniature market).
How about some facts and knowledge largery accepted by industry?
Fact: PS2 debuted at ~299$. Yes, Sony doesn't care about Australia. Why should them?
Industry knowledge (based on observation): releasing console in US market at a price much higher than 299$ (you can strech a bit...but not much) is suicide. Examples:
Xbox launches at 299$ - console succesfull.
Gamecube launches at 199$ - console succesfull.
PS2 launches at 299$ - console succesfull.
Dreamcast launches at 199$ - console rather succesfull.
Nintendo 64 launches at 199$ - console succesfull.
Playstation launches at 299$ - concole succesfull.
Sega Saturn launches at 399$ - not very succesfull.
3DO launches at 699$ - total flop.
Jaguar launches at 250$ - not very succesfull.
SNES launches at 199$ - console succesfull.
NeoGeo launches at 699$ - total flop.
Sega Genesis launches at 250$ - console succesfull.
NES launches at 199$ - console succesfull.

If you honestly don't see any pattern here, you're beyond all hope...

And yes, price in Australia will be from 1.5 to 2 times higher. Yes, nobody cares. Deal with it.

[dauodwa]

zima said

"dauodwa wrote:
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mate, use your brains. the ps2 cost almost 800 australian dollars when it came out, then ps1 cost allot too. the ps3 is not going to be 2nd best to the ps2 or ps1! USE YOUR BRAIN! its gonna have superior graphics, et cetera et cetera.

Ahhh...that explains a lot - you seem to understand "brains" as "limited/narrow-minded view of the situation based only on local factors/factors relevant to you". Guess what, you're not the center of the world (but I gues it's clear now that saying this to you is a bit pointless...). Nobody gives a fvck about the price of PS3 in such miniature market as Australia (BTW, the price is high there precisely because of miniature market).
How about some facts and knowledge largery accepted by industry?
Fact: PS2 debuted at ~299$. Yes, Sony doesn't care about Australia. Why should them?
Industry knowledge (based on observation): releasing console in US market at a price much higher than 299$ (you can strech a bit...but not much) is suicide. Examples:
Xbox launches at 299$ - console succesfull.
Gamecube launches at 199$ - console succesfull.
PS2 launches at 299$ - console succesfull.
Dreamcast launches at 199$ - console rather succesfull.
Nintendo 64 launches at 199$ - console succesfull.
Playstation launches at 299$ - concole succesfull.
Sega Saturn launches at 399$ - not very succesfull.
3DO launches at 699$ - total flop.
Jaguar launches at 250$ - not very succesfull.
SNES launches at 199$ - console succesfull.
NeoGeo launches at 699$ - total flop.
Sega Genesis launches at 250$ - console succesfull.
NES launches at 199$ - console succesfull.

If you honestly don't see any pattern here, you're beyond all hope...

And yes, price in Australia will be from 1.5 to 2 times higher. Yes, nobody cares. Deal with it."

mate, i dont really care what you think. i live in australia, therefore, your numbers are irelevant. the consoles arent succesful cause of the high price, its cause of the fact that theyre good consoles for that perticular time. consoles seem a waste of time to me. theyre expensive and a computer can do the job just as well. i only one a computer because thats the most economy choice or me. i dont really care what affects you in america, or waht you think about this post.

[mondine]

dauodwa, please use the "quote" button when you're quoting another post.

[dauodwa]

i cant! sometimes it says that theyre is an error on the page! i always trie to but sometimes i cant. i think its just my internet connection.

[mondine]

Originally Posted by mondine

dauodwa, please use the "quote" button when you're quoting another post.

Which reply editor are you using? If it's the Rich Text editor, maybe you should try using the regular (plain text) one.

[dauodwa]

Originally Posted by mondine

Which reply editor are you using? If it's the Rich Text editor, maybe you should try using the regular (plain text) one.

thanks mondine! it worked! 'preciate it. i didnt even realise that you could do that, cause i can do it at school and at the library but not at home. thanks again!

[zima]

Originally Posted by dauodwa

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mate, i dont really care what you think. i live in australia, therefore, your numbers are irelevant. the consoles arent succesful cause of the high price, its cause of the fact that theyre good consoles for that perticular time. consoles seem a waste of time to me. theyre expensive and a computer can do the job just as well. i only one a computer because thats the most economy choice or me. i dont really care what affects you in america, or waht you think about this post.

(emphasis mine)

If you really interpret the numbers I posted in that way (emphasis)...that is all we need to know about you

BTW, I forgot to include Amiga CD-32 into the equation.
Amiga CD-32 launch price - 399$, total flop.

PS. What makes you think I'm from America? Actually, console prices here are around 1,5x higher than in Australia (and much higher when taking into account smaller mean income). But when it comes to succes of the console it was again and again the reflection of situation in US (and in EU...but in this case in € or pounds) - keep it around 300 if you don't want to loose the war. So those numbers are very relevant.

PPS. And don't jump on bandwagon about superiority of PCs. They are two different things, meant for different things. Consoles can't be beaten when it comes to playing comfortably on the couch with three friends before/after pub. PCs have input devices and screens with more easily visible details - both are more usefull in certain types of games. And so on, and so on...

[Rydia]

I highly doubt those estimates of Merryl Lynch are going to hold true (over $800 estimated) for PS3's launch system. It'll probably be somewhere around $400 (if the consumer is lucky) or $500. I don't see it going past $500, even though Sony will take a good loss on each system sold. It will be competitively priced against Revolution and the 360 until it can eventually match those two systems' prices later on in the console's life.