Is it catchy? - Page 4

mondine · 11-08-2005, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Eiríkr Rauði

Yeah, it's kinda like arguing with people because they pronounce "forte" as /fort UH/ or /fort EH/ instead of the correct pronunciation /fort/

It's worse, when they 'correct' you when you pronounce it properly.
Like Homer Simpson saying "No, Lisa, it's pronounced nu-cu-ler".

Aírmanareiks Þiudareiks · 11-09-2005, 12:52 AM

It's worse when you're talking about the pronunciation of "Celtic". They often argue that 'c' is almost exclusively pronounced as 'k' in Latin and Irish, but that is irrelevant, because, the Irish never thought the "Celtic" people to be part of a greater kin related to them, and as such had no use for the word. Yes, in Latin, 'c' is always pronounced as 'k'. The Romans pronounced Cicilia as /Kikkilia/ and Cicero as /Kikkero/, but if anyone used these archaic pronunciations, they'd be battered to death by zealous grammarians, since we pronounce them as /Sissilia/ and /Sissero/ respectively in modern English. Again, do we say that the value of a penny is one kent? Do we eat kereal for breakfast and then use our kellular phones to say we'll be late? Do we kelebrate graduations with keremonies of pomp? Even if the word hadn't come to us through French, enough Latin words have that we generally pronounce Latin /ce/, /ci/ the same way that the French do, even in words and names taken directly from Latin, like ciborium.
They fail to understand that it is ENGLISH, not LATIN. Sound changes are bound to occur. According to the orthophonetic rules of English "Keltic" is a wrong articulation, but it seems to be the standard one. Likewise, the "standard" pronunciation of 'cello' is /chello/(or /tcheh-loh/ if you like), but most dictionaries also accept /sello/ as well as a correct pronunciation of the Italian instrument. A similar case can be observed for "Celtic". Anyway, I prefer /seltik/ myself, but say /keltik/ to avoid being stoned.

IamTheKing9 · 11-09-2005, 03:54 AM

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Originally Posted by mondine

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Originally Posted by IamTheKing9

One question (maybe the last) - what mistake did you find?

The writer specifically mentioned not wanting to hear about it. I choose to respect her wishes.

Well, that's okay with me. I only hope you found a mistake.

Çãt JåÐí$ · 11-12-2005, 12:40 AM

Hehe so confused..

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11-09-2005, 12:52 AM	#32 (permalink)
Aírmanareiks Þiudareiks Elite Googler Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada. Posts: 1,279 Thanks: 0 Thanked 2 Times in 2 Posts	It's worse when you're talking about the pronunciation of "Celtic". They often argue that 'c' is almost exclusively pronounced as 'k' in Latin and Irish, but that is irrelevant, because, the Irish never thought the "Celtic" people to be part of a greater kin related to them, and as such had no use for the word. Yes, in Latin, 'c' is always pronounced as 'k'. The Romans pronounced Cicilia as /Kikkilia/ and Cicero as /Kikkero/, but if anyone used these archaic pronunciations, they'd be battered to death by zealous grammarians, since we pronounce them as /Sissilia/ and /Sissero/ respectively in modern English. Again, do we say that the value of a penny is one kent? Do we eat kereal for breakfast and then use our kellular phones to say we'll be late? Do we kelebrate graduations with keremonies of pomp? Even if the word hadn't come to us through French, enough Latin words have that we generally pronounce Latin /ce/, /ci/ the same way that the French do, even in words and names taken directly from Latin, like ciborium. They fail to understand that it is ENGLISH, not LATIN. Sound changes are bound to occur. According to the orthophonetic rules of English "Keltic" is a wrong articulation, but it seems to be the standard one. Likewise, the "standard" pronunciation of 'cello' is /chello/(or /tcheh-loh/ if you like), but most dictionaries also accept /sello/ as well as a correct pronunciation of the Italian instrument. A similar case can be observed for "Celtic". Anyway, I prefer /seltik/ myself, but say /keltik/ to avoid being stoned.

11-12-2005, 12:40 AM	#34 (permalink)
Çãt JåÐí$ Google Guru Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: England Posts: 2,345 Thanks: 0 Thanked 0 Times in 0 Posts	Hehe so confused..

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