Martial Arts/Combat Specialists

[terminight]

With so many people here im kind of hoping there would be a large population of fighters, what im wondering is what each of you think ofthe other. Anyone that cross trains or has fight experience with other styles should toss in their opinion of the defensive quality and the offensive capability of say a wrestler against a martial artist or a boxer against a street fighter, that sort of thing. In depth analysis of styles would be welcome too.

[anylund]

I started training Filipino Martial Arts in '95. One of the best lessons learned was understanding one sentence: Adopt what is useful -Dan InosantobrSo I was taught punching by a boxer, grappling and wrestling by a wrestler and so on. When I evaluate a technique, I always think how it works when the 300 pounds 'gorilla' rushes towards me eyes rolling and ready rip my head off. Luckily never happened... brbrTo beat a real experienced street fighter you need to be highly skilled to counter that downright nasty attitude. It is really hard to come up any elaborate takedowns when the opponent is biting your nose, ripping your ears and driving knee to your mid-section. When it comes down to survival you dont think.brbrComparing the techniques of a martial artist and a wrestler is somewhat pointless. Applying different technics is depended fighters abilities, my point being, where a master can defeat stronger or more agile opponent, the apprentice will fail.brbrUh...oh getting lost.. dont wanna make an essay br

[GroundPounderUSMC]

Competition Marine Corps Martial Arts Program(MCMAP) Competition Brazillian Jiujitsu(grappling/ground fighting) Hapkido Instructor, and I study Jeet Kun Do.

The only lesson to be learned when hand to hand combat is ineviteble is this: You fight to win.

My opinion: If you've never lost a fight, you've never been pushed hard enough. Losing a fight teaches you what do improve on and certain attitudes to read while adjusting the "style" of force used in every occasion.

Being a 7 year Marine, i have developed the ever famous "Marine corps tude" meaning i can take on the world with my rifle. But also realizing that i can't, lol, i have learned to adapt to those who are skilled as i or worse...More skilled than i.

Boxer- You never go toe to toe with someone in their own style. You will always lose. The best thing to do is realize, what their limits are. Boxers are not use to kicks. So kick. They are not use to ground fighting. So get them down.

Kick boxers- very simple... Get close to them. Stay away from their knees.

Wrestler- It is my belief that grappling and ground fighting are the best styles. Where do most one on ones end up? On the ground. To go head up with a wrestler, you better know how to keep your legs.

Martial artists(karate, taekwondo) Very simple to defeat. Remember, these "fighting styles" are sports. Never underestimate, but don't OVERestimate either. They are highly limited to hands, knees, and feet.

Street fighting- dirty fighter... ALWAYS FIGHT DIRTY! Grab their genitals, kick them while they are down. There is no such thing as a fair fight. So don't try and give them the benefit of the doubt. They may have a knife.

I always enter a fight the same way i would enter a "guns blazing" type mission. Look for my exits, how big is he, is he proportioned, find a weakness, find a strength, Attack them both. I go for blood. To hell with one punch fights, if you try and tap out with me, i'll just squeeze tighter.

Never fight fair. We don't, cuz no one will give us the same respect, so to hell with'em. =)

Play nice

[terminight]

Hell yea, I was hoping there would be at least two out there. Very solid points, always fight dirty and never meet a man on his terms. I really just started this thread to see who was out there and who knew what was out there vrs. who was told what was out there. I couldn't have responded better myself. Ill knockmore questions up there as timegoes by.

[GroundPounderUSMC]

Agreed, people who "know" about hand to hand is one thing, people who are experienced in hand to hand is another. It's all in aggressive presence. If you show someone that you're "crazy" you are more likely to get some aggression. If you do it the right way, and don't show anyone anything, you'll be more likely to get into less confrontations.

Moral= Speak softly carry a big stick.... Translation= Never let'em see you comin'.

[terminight]

Ive never met anyone that "knows" but hasnt experienced; no matter how much you "know" you will still get your ass handed to you unless you are incredibly lucky or have experienced more than you realize. The first fight is always ugly, like a kid learning to eat that leaves the table covered in food and I could make a reference to sex but I'm sure you made that connection first (who can help it). Of course there is always room for luck and preperation but they may be cumbersome tools in the hands of someone that never had to use them before. Blood on the grip, heavy resistence, nose biting, crotch shots and to the very unconditioned; shots to the solar plexus all represent the things that undo you in the first encounter. Hard training helps a lot, good tactics nearly seal the deal but theres nothing quite like having a point of reference for survival.

Question about boxer vrs. martial artist: there is no argument that their lack of farmiliarity with kicks is a major weak point but if they close distance and you keep kicking wouldnt your base be at incredible risk because he is on two legs and you are on one? The only way to keep your base from being at serious risk is to use straight kicks but with his knee bent they willhave little to no effect on the patella itself. Shin kicks dont do much against adrenaline unfortunatly. The logical step would be to apply wrestling technique but I'm wondering if I missed something.

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