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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:23 pm    Post subject: Hi, I'm the New Adsense/Adwords Expert for GoogleCommunity Reply with quote
Hi, I am pleased to have been selected as the new Adsense/Adwords Expert for GoogleCommunity.com.

I am excited to help you all have great success with your adsense and adwords program campaigns. Whether you are a newbie or pro to these programs, feel free to ask me any question - and especially don't be shy, because there are probably 10 other people that want to ask the same question.

I am quite experienced with both systems (adsense and adwords) and have some great contacts in Google who can help me answer any questions I may not know.

I bring with me my experience as the owner or www.R9V.com and www.Googlest.com which is a site dedicated to the Adsense program. Our site Googlest.com has been prominantly featured on G4TV's 'Attack of the Show' and WIRED Magazine.

I am currently in the process of responding to a interview questionaire for .INC Magazine - which will outline many of the Ins and Outs of the Adsense program in addition to the origins of Goolgest.com. Look out for it on news stands in the near future - I will let you all know when it comes out.

I hope to be a valuable asset to this community - I think in the least the Adsense program is a great side hobby for any webmaster and the adwords system is a wonderful tool for all publishers who want to get their sites out there. I hope you will find me to be easy to ask questions of, and will find my advice to be helpful. Please feel free to email me if you have any pressing issues or hit me up on these boards by PM.


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PostPosted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 3:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hi Googlest,

I was actually viewing these two sites just yesterday, can remember how I got to them now though, lol.

Anyway welcome to google community.

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PostPosted: Sun Jun 26, 2005 4:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Thanks Darren,

I will probably dedicated my free "forum posting" time to these boards from now on - this forum is run quite well, its clean, the moderators are quite courtious - so it is a pleasure.
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 2:48 am    Post subject: Big Complicated AdSense Question Reply with quote
Hi. I have a big, complicated AdSense question/dilemma. This might be kind of a big issue for your first question, so I apologize in advance.

I'm working on building a number of websites that will be supported, in part, by AdSense advertising.

These websites are likely to draw a great deal of very specific/vertical traffic, and as such could produce non-trivial amounts of AdSense revenue. That's the good part.

My concern is with the AdSense "click fraud" police. While these websites will be very legitimate, and I intend to follow Google's rules as strictly as possible, the way in which Google defines click fraud seems very... well, DELICATE to me. While there's no way in hell I would do it myself, couldn't any nefarious person simply deliberately "abuse" my website with fraudulent clicks, in order to get me banned?

Or, from a nefarious person's perspective, couldn't I get anyone kicked out of the AdSense program just by scripting something to click all their ads 3000 times? This seems very very easy to do.

Again, I have NO PLANS to do anything against Google's rules, but I have seen some nasty corporate espionage in my little life. My fear is that no matter how carefully I follow the rules, someone else out there who wants to cost me a lot of $ could just abuse my site's ads and have me booted from the program whenever they feel like it.

I did some searches (with Google, of course) that turned my nagging fear into a raging worry: there are thousands of people out there complaining that Google shut them down even though they did nothing wrong. Some are probably lying... but some must not be. :/

How can an honest webmaster prevent this from happening?
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PostPosted: Mon Jun 27, 2005 10:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote
Hello Googlest,
nice to meet you here! I've seen your site before and it really surprises me to see you here. Well, let me introduce myself a little bit so you know who I am. My name is Laurent... I'm kinda into Google, I keep busy with PageRank, SEO stuff, new Google services, etc. I got two sites currently, http://www.gigamer.com that's just a gaming site I started like 2 yrs ago and I am currently developping http://www.celebsfun.com , wich will be finished in a few weeks, finally after 1 yr of coding and stuff like that. I'm also planning to make a complete Google website about everything that has to do with Google, anyway, that's for in a month or something, so big plans for this summer. I also use Adsense of course, I'm doing quite good, though I think it's always possible to do even better. Well, I hope to see you often on these forums..
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:27 pm    Post subject: My adwords campaign Reply with quote
Welcome! I am glad to see we have someone great on board! Its nice to know someone knows what there doing Smile

Ok well let me just get down to it.

I have been messing with google adwords for about 4 or 5 months and have been in and out of several campaigns. For some reason they always seam to fall short though. I want to try not to make this question so open ended, I guess I just need some direction.
I have read preaty throughly into adwords, and know the system pretty well, but even after all this, I have made around 2 dollars.
I knew that this would be hard before I got into this, but I am getting wearry, and I feel like I have no where to turn for help, other than buying an e-book. O_o
I am in college, and adwords seems like an awesome oportunity to make some money to help me through school.
Sorry if this thread seams a bit scattered, I just need someone to lend a helping hand, and I am feeling overwhelmed.
Where do I do next? What are some things to help me make some progess in this?

Thanks so much Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 10:31 pm    Post subject: Re: Big Complicated AdSense Question Reply with quote
Greengoo wrote:
Hi. I have a big, complicated AdSense question/dilemma. This might be kind of a big issue for your first question, so I apologize in advance.

I'm working on building a number of websites that will be supported, in part, by AdSense advertising.

These websites are likely to draw a great deal of very specific/vertical traffic, and as such could produce non-trivial amounts of AdSense revenue. That's the good part.

My concern is with the AdSense "click fraud" police. While these websites will be very legitimate, and I intend to follow Google's rules as strictly as possible, the way in which Google defines click fraud seems very... well, DELICATE to me. While there's no way in hell I would do it myself, couldn't any nefarious person simply deliberately "abuse" my website with fraudulent clicks, in order to get me banned?

Or, from a nefarious person's perspective, couldn't I get anyone kicked out of the AdSense program just by scripting something to click all their ads 3000 times? This seems very very easy to do.

Again, I have NO PLANS to do anything against Google's rules, but I have seen some nasty corporate espionage in my little life. My fear is that no matter how carefully I follow the rules, someone else out there who wants to cost me a lot of $ could just abuse my site's ads and have me booted from the program whenever they feel like it.

I did some searches (with Google, of course) that turned my nagging fear into a raging worry: there are thousands of people out there complaining that Google shut them down even though they did nothing wrong. Some are probably lying... but some must not be. :/

How can an honest webmaster prevent this from happening?


Hi GreenGoo - sadly, this is one major flaw with the adsense program; that fraudulant clicks can be caused by any user and can lead to account banning. I believe that this is one area where account activities and click-patterns should be monitored more in depth so that innocent publishers should not be unfairly banned due to the actions of "nefarious persons" as you put it.
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PostPosted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 11:45 pm    Post subject: Re: Big Complicated AdSense Question Reply with quote
Hm. Well at least the fact you agree it's a "major flaw" tells me I'm not missing something obvious, but I don't feel especially reassured, either.

I've received nothing but canned autoresponses from Google (shades of eBay), so I'm still hesitant to recommend AdSense for this project... if it's so delicate that $thousands of revenue could be made to vanish from the actions of one troublemaker, it seems very very risky.

Does anyone have any experience communicating with real people at Google to pre-prevent such a thing from happening? IE: any way to form a useful relationship in advance, so that if something like this happens, there's a better route than "panic and plead?"[/quote]
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 3:21 pm    Post subject: Re: Big Complicated AdSense Question Reply with quote
Greengoo wrote:
Hm. Well at least the fact you agree it's a "major flaw" tells me I'm not missing something obvious, but I don't feel especially reassured, either.

I've received nothing but canned autoresponses from Google (shades of eBay), so I'm still hesitant to recommend AdSense for this project... if it's so delicate that $thousands of revenue could be made to vanish from the actions of one troublemaker, it seems very very risky.

Does anyone have any experience communicating with real people at Google to pre-prevent such a thing from happening? IE: any way to form a useful relationship in advance, so that if something like this happens, there's a better route than "panic and plead?"
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Yeah, the click-fraud issue is one which is being reviewed quite thouroughly currently
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 05, 2005 4:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I saw a quote from Google's CFO the other day (somewhere) wherein he said that click fraud on AdSense-AdWords is a huge problem, and he "sure hopes someone comes up with a solution soon."

Hopes. Someone. Sic.

So much for counting on almighty GOOGLE to fix it. I guess when they promised to not become "evil", they didn't specifically say they wouldn't become "fat, lazy and sloppy." Confused
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PostPosted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 2:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote
I am sure there are many people that agree with you
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 8:16 am    Post subject: hi need help Reply with quote
hi i m new google adsense i just register my account and adversite google on my site..
now i want to ask how to earn money by google adsense
can i click links of google adsense
if click how can i get earn money
what are the tips to improve google adsense
how many times or visting, clicking we can get points
any figures or example
thanx for advise
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 17, 2005 10:05 pm    Post subject: Re: hi need help Reply with quote
z4u wrote:
hi i m new google adsense i just register my account and adversite google on my site..
now i want to ask how to earn money by google adsense

If someone click on your ads, google will pay you. Some advertisers pay by impressions.

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can i click links of google adsense

If that ads is not on YOUR website/s, yes. But if its yours, you must not click on it. That is against the TOS. You'll get banned for the rest of your happy days.

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if click how can i get earn money

you can get it via electronic transfer or via check. they send out payment when you reach $100.

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what are the tips to improve google adsense

ads location and unique quality content.

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how many times or visting, clicking we can get points
any figures or example
thanx for advise

that depends on what type of content and website you got.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 4:56 am    Post subject: need more info Reply with quote
k now i want asking about blog i have create a blog so can i put adsense on blog but the adsense account i registered with website so is it same i generate code and put on blog or i have to again register account with blog adddress please can u tell me in explain now i don't want to use web address i want to use blog
and can give some good tips to work on google adsense thanx
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 7:21 am    Post subject: Re: need more info Reply with quote
z4u wrote:
k now i want asking about blog i have create a blog so can i put adsense on blog but the adsense account i registered with website so is it same i generate code and put on blog or i have to again register account with blog adddress please can u tell me in explain now i don't want to use web address i want to use blog
and can give some good tips to work on google adsense thanx


once you're approved, you can use the code to any of your website or even in your blogs. No need to register to again. Smile

you can also use the channel if you want to monitor the earnings of each ad unit.
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