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| zima wrote: | | So...why even mention trying to change UN? A bit dishonest you know...when in reality you'd simply like a part of the cake. |
A bigger piece of the cake.....
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 4:33 am Post subject: |
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Ahh...all clear now. I'm only left wondering why you had used "they" in post below...
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 7:58 am Post subject: |
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'They' signifies the rest of the world. India did have socialist leanings but has never been communist.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 11:59 am Post subject: |
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| You're confused now. When we mentioned about communists at all? |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 12:10 pm Post subject: |
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| zima wrote: | | You're confused now. When we mentioned about communists at all? |
No, I'm not. The only other block a country is in if it isn't capitalist, is the communist block. I was just trying to clarify.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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OK, so "they" are communists according to you? And those "they/communists" alone mandate how UN work?
IMO - not quite...
And besides - how do you explain the first usage of enigmatical "they" in this discussion, apparently connected with capitalists... |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| zima wrote: | OK, so "they" are communists according to you? And those "they/communists" alone mandate how UN work?
IMO - not quite... |
Read my post properly. I was talking abt the two political blocks. Not about who controls the UN. China and Russia are communist and are Permanent members of the Security council. I don't have to mention that they have vetos too.
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:25 pm Post subject: |
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Russia? Communist? I suggest you should update your knowledge a bit...
Also, while theoretically/technically China is also communist...I would argue with it a bit. In many ways it's purely capithalistic. |
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| Posted: Mon Jan 02, 2006 3:39 pm Post subject: |
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| zima wrote: | Russia? Communist? I suggest you should update your knowledge a bit...
Also, while theoretically/technically China is also communist...I would argue with it a bit. In many ways it's purely capithalistic. |
I can't go on arguing with you like this. All you want is to win the argument. Russia isn't communist? Theoretically or not China's political system is communist while economically it is close to being capitalist. Check your facts properly and stop this silly bickering.
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| Posted: Tue Jan 03, 2006 8:32 am Post subject: |
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here we go again, I see...
Don't you even relise that you basically repeat in your last post the facts I posted? (well, apart from Russia - yeah, believe it or not it's not communit for almost 15 years. But you know better...  ) But of course you must have added some whirl to it, so that you can remain Bad Moderator (tm).
The way I see it - you're mostly making not entrirelly thought out statements that look "serious". Hey, I'm sure it earns you points in forum populated mostly by young people...
But I propose this: instead of dodging valid questions with new things thrown into discussion, perhaps you would write one long throughout post which would answer, for example:
- what do you personally understand with "poor state of UN"
- how and why India would change it
- and perhaps...how to make permanent seat for India a reality
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| Posted: Wed Jan 04, 2006 7:25 pm Post subject: |
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| zima wrote: | here we go again, I see...
Don't you even relise that you basically repeat in your last post the facts I posted? (well, apart from Russia - yeah, believe it or not it's not communit for almost 15 years. But you know better... ) But of course you must have added some whirl to it, so that you can remain Bad Moderator (tm).
The way I see it - you're mostly making not entrirelly thought out statements that look "serious". Hey, I'm sure it earns you points in forum populated mostly by young people...
But I propose this: instead of dodging valid questions with new things thrown into discussion, perhaps you would write one long throughout post which would answer, for example:
- what do you personally understand with "poor state of UN"
- how and why India would change it
- and perhaps...how to make permanent seat for India a reality
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I won't react to your silly allegation about scoring points in forums and so on. My topic was not about the poor state of the UN. In reality, its not so powerful that it could take a decision and have the world implement it without a question. The Iraq war is a good example of its weaknesses. Change can be brought if there is more wide representation. When one sixth of the world poulation doesn't have a say in the world affairs, I would define that as 'ineffective and unfair'.
How to get India a permanent seat, is through diplomacy. India needs to go out and convince the world that its an eligible contender for the security council expansion.
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| Posted: Thu Jan 05, 2006 1:36 am Post subject: |
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Zima is right, Russia isn't communist. It has been capitalist since the break-up of the USSR. Well anyway, everyone wants a large piece of the cake so it all boils down to who can blame who for what. 
And on the permanent seat matter... Germany and Japan have better chances, but Japan probably has the most support. Let's wait and see. This is all crazy, in a few years, we'll see Israel fighting it out for a permanent seat.
I think only Germany can make good use out of the permanent seat, but Japan is also quite capable. India is too shrouded with internal corruption and is frequently toiled with disputes with neighbouring countries which often puts it at odds with the UN, whether or not it really is a proper decision. After all, the UN is more or less a puppet of the US. |
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| Posted: Wed Jan 11, 2006 3:02 pm Post subject: |
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| kcmandava wrote: |
I won't react to your silly allegation about scoring points in forums and so on.
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Too bad you're doing not only that, but still do what I "accused" you of. But hey, it's OK, be "serious" without deeper thought if you really want to.
| Quote: | My topic was not about the poor state of the UN.
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I have an impression that you brought it in that direction, stating that India would somehow, automagically, cure the "poor state of UN".
| Quote: | In reality, its not so powerful that it could take a decision and have the world implement it without a question. The Iraq war is a good example of its weaknesses. Change can be brought if there is more wide representation. When one sixth of the world poulation doesn't have a say in the world affairs, I would define that as 'ineffective and unfair'.
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Do you really believe that diplomats in UN truly represent its population, and will in case of India? (and this applies especially to India!)
Dream on...
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How to get India a permanent seat, is through diplomacy. India needs to go out and convince the world that its an eligible contender for the security council expansion. |
Could we hear, please, something not obvious? |
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| drunken_master wrote: | | india is the largest democracy in the world so obviously it shud have a permanent seat |
That alone is not a proper way of deciding who gets a seat. Brazil, Bangladesh, Pakistan are all in the top 10 democracies in the world. Should they all be given a seat?
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