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 Posted: Tue Oct 11, 2005 9:20 pm Post subject: AI - where will google take us? |
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I've been amazed with google's success, and I'm all for it. I've had many thoughts about where google will take us, since they invest no doubt quite heavily in cutting edge development.
Where is AI at the moment? Commercially? Behind the scenes? It's something I'm very interested in - found a half decent book, "the age of spiritual machines" by R Kurzweil, and it made me wonder, be it NASA, governments or google, who/what's going to drive the development of AI? |
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| Posted: Thu Oct 13, 2005 9:09 am Post subject: |
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Well it certainly won't be the Tories.
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 8:22 am Post subject: |
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Google Adsense is sort of Artificial Intelligence...when it works 
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| Posted: Wed Dec 14, 2005 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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| AI was/is basically just a fancy name for something we don't know how to make, yet, effectivelly. Once it becomes common, nobody calls it that way anymore - there's really no reason (examples: speech/face recognition, expert systems and so on...) |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 2:42 am Post subject: |
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| zima wrote: | | AI was/is basically just a fancy name for something we don't know how to make, yet, effectivelly. Once it becomes common, nobody calls it that way anymore - there's really no reason (examples: speech/face recognition, expert systems and so on...) |
Well, not exactly. The phrase "artificial intelligence" has a fairly specific and literal meaning.
It's a simulation of the ability to reason. The ability to work on a question, from imperfect information, compare the scenerio to those similar in its knowledge base, and make a 'guess' or 'decision' as to the appropriate response.
While simple demonstrations of limited forms of this ability have been around for a while, there does not yet exist a complex and complete enough product to warrant the name. But it is simply a matter of degree, not definition.
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 7:09 am Post subject: |
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| Expert systems... (sure, primitive a bit in comparison to whay you imagine...but it's not that much different from "normal" computing when it comes to methods...) |
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| Posted: Thu Dec 15, 2005 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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To have AI you need to be able to teach the robot/computer. So far all people are to do is telling it what to do, some sciencist believe that what they are doing is teaching it, but the original coding behide it is told.
The brain is a wonderfull thing, it would be like 'shooting birds in the dark, in a country that had few birds' to make a replica that would work as well as a 'real' brain. |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 3:25 am Post subject: |
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| There lies not very usefull "fallacy" IMHO - who said AI must be abything like existing brains? |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:56 pm Post subject: |
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| name something without a brain that is intelligent |
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| Posted: Fri Dec 16, 2005 12:57 pm Post subject: |
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| Vimialp wrote: | | name something without a brain that is intelligent |
You.. 
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:52 am Post subject: |
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| Vimialp wrote: | | name something without a brain that is intelligent |
Ahh, yes, here's that fallacy I mentioned 
And honestly I don't have time to debate how your views are limited and how AI doesn't neccesarilly mean copying not only the structure of the brain, but also its functionality... |
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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All 'thinking' systems must be taught. There must obviously be information on which to base a 'decision'.
An artificial intelligence would be able to extrapolate information based on the knowledge that it has been given, adding an intuitive element more sophisticated
than a simple 'one correct answer' for any given situation.
Such a method would be closer to the way that the human (or somewhat higher mammal's) brain operates, but I see no reason why anyone would attempt to replicate the actual structure.
It would be inefficient and redundant engineering for a tool. Except, perhaps if your desired product was a resentful race of killer robots.
(And zima, if you continue to roll your eyes in every-other post, they are eventually going to fall out.) 
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| Posted: Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:17 pm Post subject: |
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| I never meant that to recreate intelligence was to copy a brain, but to use it's structure as a base for creating something that can think it's own thoughts, not have the 'ideas' implanted. |
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| Posted: Sun Dec 18, 2005 2:49 am Post subject: |
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Vimialp, you DO realise that in the last post alone you contradict yourself, right?
| mondine wrote: | ...
(And zima, if you continue to roll your eyes in every-other post, they are eventually going to fall out.) |
What do to, there are so often reasons for this on these forums... |
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